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Black
is the color of Liberty
An
interview with Haitian attorney Marguerite Laurent
by
Wanda
Sabir,
San Francisco Bayview, June 3, 2004
Marguerite Laurent has a visual presence that is just as striking as
her written one, which is how I met her initially. Born in Haiti, her
family moved to New York in 1968 when her dad couldn't keep steady employment
under the Duvalier regime. Proud of her heritage, more specifically
a cultural and religious legacy vilified by colonists and their henchmen
in her homeland, the fiery sister has taken on the task of rectifying
this slander through her poetry, dance and legal advocacy.
A founding member of the Haitian Lawyers
Leadership (1994), Laurent, who studied law at the University of Connecticut
and also has a graduate degree in dance from [The Hartford Conservatory],
was all ready to spend her time touring
with her dance-theatre company in celebration of Haiti's bicentennial
- this included a kickoff at Carnegie
Hall in January, [to be] followed by a gig on the Bwa
Kayiman History tour this August - when the coup foiled all
of her plans.
Back in riot gear, Laurent is armed with her literary tools, shooting
off multiple articles
a week as she keeps her index finger of the pulse of her homeland. In
town for the recent Haiti
forum at Pro Arts Gallery Sunday, May 2,
sponsored by PEN Oakland and the Haiti
Action Committee, I was able to speak to the busy woman the following
morning at length about Haitian history, her work with the Haitian
Lawyers Leadership Network (HLLN) and the spirit of
Ezili Dantò, her patron goddess.
Quite dramatic even on the phone, the sister held me spellbound as she
shared her life story, which is the story of an African nation, the
first pan-African nation, Ayiti or Haiti. Laurent credits her parents
for her consciousness.
Marguerite Laurent: "My father always had a saying
- he was a Maroon, his lineage are all 'Neg Mawon,' those runaway captives
who were never slaves. There's a very strong pride in [claiming] “Se
Neg Mawon mwen ye”. It's like Dessalines said, that 'if that's
a civilized nation (referring to the Europeans), I'll gladly be a savage
African.' My father said, 'We'll always be Neg
Mawon.' which meant the same thing as Dessalines - if the
blood of the European tribe is how they get their sort of civilization,
then I'd rather be a savage African. Here was a father whose father
was a Vodun priest."
I'm kind of blown away … for a moment.
Marguerite Laurent: "Really, every Haitian has
this history, but they don't want to talk about it because they've been
colonized by the priests and the captors who tell them that what they're
representing is satanic. Meanwhile, (the Europeans) are out there studying
it and getting Ph.D.s in it, while Black people say it's not important.
The suppression of [Vodun] religion in Haiti is one of the crimes of
the European powers, while they advocate freedom of religion in their
own countries."
Wanda Sabir: Your poem
that you read Sunday at Pro
Arts spoke to the colonial influence on Haitian culture.
Marguerite Laurent: "This is how I became who
I am. [Read Papa's
Maroon Lineage ] It's a piece I wrote when I went to Haiti
in 1995. One of the U.S. ambassadors to Haiti [and] USAID, when they
saw a group of Haitian American lawyers who wanted to help Haiti, they
saw depleted funding sources - they saw us as a threat. And so they
spent a lot of time trying to throw us out of Haiti, and eventually
they did."
Wanda Sabir: You're not welcome in Haiti?
Marguerite Laurent: "HLLN is diametrically opposed
to USAID's
ideals. We want to develop Haiti; they want to keep it dependent. That's
the fight that we fight. That's the struggle that we try to expose to
the world, that Haitians for years and decades and centuries have tried
to become independent and that it is, of course, the imperialist drama
to keep you dependent.
"If you're educated in your own
liberty and in self-reliance, self-reliance begins with understanding
your own
heritage and your own
culture. But if you're dependent on their god, their sort
of democracy, their military to take you out of chaos into order - their
sort of order - then you are dependent, and that is the colonial blueprint
for debt, dependency and foreign domination.
"That's the cycle that we try to break, and Haitians have been
trying to break that cycle for 200 years. Our commitment, as Dessalines
said, is to live free (and) independent or die. And many of us have
been dying, but because of our culture
and what we believe about death: the corporal body, the spirit never
dies because spirit triumphs over temporality.
"That's why Haitians were able to walk into European canons -
men, women and children. The song that they sang while they were doing
it was 'Bullets are dust. Bullets are dust.' The spirit overcomes. The
irreducible essence will live on forever.
"Even as we deal today with the occupiers - the two greatest Western
[Hemispheric] superpowers are on our land - Canada and the United States,
and they brought with them our old colonizer, France, something our
founding fathers said would never happen - and they're there in 2004
to say 'Yes, we can.'
"But they always come through the economic route, through Black
opportunists. They always come through them because they
hate being African and so they project that hate upon (the masses) …
they do the work of the colonizers, people like André
Apaid and the
Mafia families in Haiti who have exploited the Haitian people.
"What people don't understand is that there is a certain level
of propaganda in trying to create certain realities to project this
reality. Haiti is the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere. What
they don't tell you is not only do we have (poverty, but we also have
riches)
the most millionaires in the entire Caribbean. They won't advertise
that. Naturally people would wonder, well, why aren't you developing
the country? They prefer to project all that on Aristide and say, why
is he a millionaire?"
Marguerite says that her point is, if "the American Dream is to
'pull yourself up by your bootstraps,' to rise from humble beginnings,
why is it that the first time it's done by a poor Haitian that for some
reason, he's corrupt?" This was in response to a question raised
by Ishmael Reed the previous day at the Haiti Forum, a question he had
received via email.
Why is the U.S. so interested in Haiti,
is a question many people ask. One answer is unskilled and cheap labor.
Another reason is that when there is no democracy and people are being
oppressed, there is no time off, overtime, or benefits … then
poverty is systemic.
Marguerite Laurent: "At the height of the [1991-1994]
coup..., Disney made (according to the National Labor Committee) $1.1
billion in profit in
Haiti. This is when you had 70,000 fleeing Haiti. [incarcerated in horrible
detention at various points of time from 1991-1994 at the US base on
Guantanamo Bay, Cuba...]"
People do not leave Haiti because they are poor; they leave because
their lives are in danger. If one looks at the period when Lavalas was
governing Haiti, the people were not trying to escape.
I ask Marguerite about Disney's divestment.
"I can't speak to that, but one way [US and other foreign] corporations
keep from paying taxes [and being accountable to the Haitian worker]
is they get a Haitian organization, such as Apaid, whose sweatshop
is a subcontractor.
It's a Haitian
business front, which means, as a Haitian business, it's
not subject to certain laws," she said.
"Apaid and the (economic) elite in Haiti are so used to exploiting
and robbing
people blind, they don't want to lose that, which is why they want to
be in control of the government in Haiti. When they're not in control,
you have the people in control for the first time in 200 years in Parliament
asking the local representatives, 'Listen, I worked 70 hours and they
only paid me for 20.' Now there's no one to go to."
"There's another thing I have to say. Wal-Mart made $2.8 billion
in profit in 1994. When they try to give you this idea that Haiti is
poor, that Haiti has nothing to give, they don't let you know that those
in the know have been leeching that country dry. This is what they're
defending in Haiti now, the right to greed and profit and exploitation
and labor, almost slave-like."
"There's no safety. Apaid had a
factory where they were making some product that had chemicals in it
that ate people's skin off. The people - there's so many Haitians -
and people are trying to find jobs, so they'll work under the coldest
circumstances. And that's why the Haitian Lawyers Leadership is here.
One of our campaigns is to confront
these companies. HLLN wants to tell Americans what their companies are
doing abroad."
"They're always asking," says Marguerite, "why are you
complaining when all of these people are coming to America? If Haitians
in America work, at least there are laws that protect them. They will
get paid every week in the United States, but in Haiti they could decide
that 'the local situation is too bad, so I'm not paying you.' I always
say Haitians would stay in Haiti if American companies down there would
treat them the way they treat American (workers) in America.
"But
they don't. If you look at the statistics, Haitians do not leave Haiti
for poverty. They don't leave just because they're poor, (which is)
one of the reasons the United States gives, that they are 'economic
refugees not political refugees.' Our (American) laws provide refugee
status for political refugees.
"It's only when the government is killing them (as it is now) and
they have no choice and they are trying to save their lives that they
run away from Haiti. For instance, during the 10 years that you had
Lavalas leading Haiti from 1990 to 2004, the only time you had Haitians
leaving in droves was during the 32nd coup d'état, 1991-94. There
was no one leaving in droves from 1995 to 2004. But there are people
leaving Haiti in droves right now even though the U.S. has circled Haiti
and is turning back those who are making it through. It's survival.
"If the world would stop and let Haiti live, this migration would
stop. It would also stop if Haitians were able to develop Haiti. If
(only) these greedy corporations could see Haitian workers in the same
manner they see American workers with the same human rights. We have
a minimum wage - it's the lowest minimum wage in the Western Hemisphere,
perhaps the world, okay? - yet the corporations feel deprived that they
have to pay that money.
The minimum wage is $1.60 a day. Before, it was 60 cents. But people
like Apaid feel it's highway robbery, that people don't deserve to get
paid that much, Marguerite says. The workers have absolutely no benefits,
and if they work overtime, they have no compensation.
"Of course the unions get help. Just recently in the free trade
zone (visit haitisupportgroup.com or her site for favorite
links), the workers had unionized, (but) the Guy
Philippe people sent death squads to come in and beat up
the workers so that they would renounce the union. This is the work
of the mercenaries the United States are paying."
Wanda Sabir: Is this recent?
Marguerite Laurent:
"Yes. In Ouanaminthe, a border town to the Dominican Republic,
is a corporation (Groupo M) out of the Dominican Republic that subcontracts
for Wal-Mart, Tommy Hilfiger, to these indigenous corporations who are
doing the work. These workers had unionized."
The HLLN formed when Aristide was in exile to help get back Constitutional
rule. Then, once he returned, they wanted to "institutionalize
the rule of law. At that time, earlier that year or the end of 1993,
the Haitian Minister of Justice Guy Malary was killed by one of the
FRAPH people, the same people running Haiti now."
"Malary was killed because he was President Aristide's justice
minister and he was working to bring back democracy to Hait, obviously,
as a lawyer, and as someone who worked very hard all his life to create
democracy for Haiti defending the 1987 Constitution. We took up, we
wanted to honor Malary, so we wanted to pick up his work and not let
it to have been in vain. One of his primary things was the Constitution
rewritten by the occupiers, like Roosevelt in 1915."
She laughs at my bafflement. I hadn't realized that the Haitian Constitution
had been rewritten by this government. It was of course to benefit those
white men who wanted to own land, something Dessalines
disallowed when Haiti was liberated in 1804.
Marguerite Laurent: "One of the things Dessalines
and the Haitian revolutionaries put in the Constitution was that if
you were not Haitian, you could not own
land. And of course that was something to protect (the people) because
we had nothing. We had that little territory, and we bled for it for
300 years. There were a lot of ways Europeans tried to own land - they
married Haitian women, all sorts of things. But up to (the time of)
the illegal Constitution, there was a prohibition against it. You had
to become a Haitian citizen and there were certain rules to protect
Haitians. It was the only place in the entire Caribbean and in the world,
because the rest of the world was colonized, where all you had to do
was step on it and, if you were a captive, you became free.
Dessalines paid (about) $40 a head to anybody who brought a freed person
(to Haitian soil), who commandeered a boat that was going to the Carolinas
or anywhere in the Caribbean.
"Haiti is the only place, I'm glad to say as a lawyer, where a
Black man could testify against a white man. Up until the Civil Rights
Movement, it had hardly happened in America. For all of those reasons
the HLLN wanted the people to know our legal heritage as well as our
revolutionary heritage."
Wanda Sabir: Which Constitution is Haiti operating
under now?
Marguerite
Laurent: "They are trying to destroy the 1987 Constitution,
which is the Constitution that was written, and a lot of blood was spilled
for Haiti to have that Constitution. One of the things that happened
before that Constitution, every time a military government would come
into power they would amend the Constitution to extend the length of
their tenure. One of the things the people who wrote the 1987 Constitution
(did) was to [make it harder to] amend the Constitution. You had to
have two different parliaments. One parliament could do the amendment,
the another would have to ratify it."
That's what happened with regards to getting rid of the military. It
was (being) amended, and this parliament, prior to Aristide's "coup-nap,"
would have had the opportunity to ratify it.
Marguerite Laurent: "The same thing happened with
dual citizenship. As lawyers, we saw that 1%-2% percent of the Haitian
population in Haiti were millionaires, and they refused to pay taxes
and they refused to have any social responsibility, and we felt that
all those Haitians who left Haiti from 1957 to now, they have a right
to participate in Haitian development."
"One of the things we stood for and still stand for is to try to
have dual citizenship so Haitians living abroad could participate. So
we were working towards that (before the 2004 coup d'etat), and we did
get (laws) that passed - (giving Haitians abroad, more rights similar
to) the dual citizenship law. We needed to have the new parliament ratify
(Constitutional changes). We're talking about 10 years of work here.
"Those who we struggle against definitely do not want anyone except
their puppets to lead Haiti. For them it was horrible to think that
with one more [non-putchist] parliament Haitians (abroad) would have
had dual citizenship in Haiti.
"There are almost 3 million Haitians outside of Haiti, 8.5 million
(inside), definitely more. Our detractors know - she references the
Ottawa Initiative - at the end of it,
it says that by 2019 if nothing is done, there will be 20 million Haitians.
That
is scary to those
who are authors of the Initiative.
Tend the herd, put them in prison - there's no reproduction. Look at
America's population control."
Look at Palestine, Rwanda, I add.
Marguerite Laurent: "Look at how the repackaged-Duvaliers
and the U.S., (along with other) ex-Lavalas people (more recently) who
for one reason or another didn't get the job they wanted or were disappointed
with Aristide, who made certain deals with the devil, such as agreeing
to privatize certain state-owned assets - all of those things we had
to do to have a voice to see the light of day.
"A lot of people who live in the United States, or who are very
well off, blame President Aristide, as they sit in front of their TVs
and think that 200 years of corruption and exploitation, somehow this
one man (Aristide) is going to change it in the term he didn't have
the first time (because of the coup in 1991), and now the second time."
When one adds the U.S. embargo against the people that prevented humanitarian
aid, fresh water, food, and much needed services to reach them, it's
amazing that Aristide was able to accomplish as much as he did - all
this while a media campaign of disinformation and the (phony) civil
society (front), or Group 184 (funded in part by the U.S.), did everything
to stop him.
"Haiti was paying interest on this loan it didn't get, while the
International Monetary Fund was making the Haitian government pay $30
million on loans Duvalier took out. Those are the abuses and the crimes
the Haitian people have had to face in the last three to four years.
But those are not the things you hear about on CNN.
"The Haitian Lawyers Leadership in the last 10 years is pushing
for dual citizenship. We are also trying to put together (the ability)
for Haitians who live abroad who maintain their Haitian citizenship
to vote. Most major countries allow their citizens living abroad to
have a procedure to vote. We've been pushing for that also.
"Our work was to enfranchise, build-up Haitian capacity, empower
the people, allow them to participate in the process. Part of our work
was also to study, promote and educate the people about our
culture - how beautiful the Haitian language is, how colorful,
and how it has these wonderful adages and life wisdom embedded in it.
Just the proverbs alone are a rich resource of wisdom.
"Haitian Kreyol is
a language of proverbs as ancient, more ancient than Hebrew. It's a
language made out of an amalgamation of the (languages of the Africans
who settled in Haiti). It's a language that teaches. Our language is
like our value. Kreyòl reflects the values of an ancient people.
"My father spoke in proverbs. Every time we did something wrong,
he recited a proverb. Even in the Bible, a lesson is not taught directly.
The details can always bury you.
"Pierre Labossiere and I were talking about certain things. While
I was in Jamaica, for the first time in 200 years the Foreign Minister
from France went to Haiti and I saw a picture of her with this interim
person, Latortue, in the Jamaican papers. I hope someone from the Leadership,
I hope someone from the Aristide community is responding to this. Part
of our Campaign No. 7 is to continue to pursue the $21.8 billion (and
counting) France owes Haiti, for them using our grand-grands as property.
After the meeting with the French Foreign Minister, Latortue came out
and denounced the request for that money back.
"I said to Pierre Labossiere, "What gives him the legal competence
to denounce the people's right to justice? He quoted the proverb, 'The
dew's going to go wild until the sun rises. They will do everything
until the sun of truth comes out.' (La rouze fè banda toutan
soley pa leve). In one little proverb, we have (multiple) meanings.
That's what Haitian Kreyòl is about."
She speaks of Boukman and Cecil Fatiman, a sister who is one of the
biggest Vodun priestesses and a champion for human rights. The two met
in a secret place in a wood clearing called Bwa
Kayiman, Aug. 14, 1791, along with 200 delegations from various
plantations who agreed to begin the Haitian revolution.
They called on Ezili Dantò,
the goddess whose vèvè
(cosmogram) is a heart with a dagger through it. Because Vodun was outlawed,
the African people had to meet in secret, Marguerite said.
Marguerite Laurent: "What's so great about Haiti
is the women,
in terms of their spiritual powers, sometimes are even greater in their
connection to the universe than men. It was a woman who led that secret
ceremony that started the Haitian revolution. And it was a woman's spirit
that inhabited that woman - and that woman's spirit was Ezili Dantò,
the Haitian love and warrior goddess. Her symbol is a heart with the
dagger going through it."
"She is the irreducible spirit, irreducible essence of the mother/goddess.
She is a warrior. She chose Boukman. She told Boukman through Cecil
Fatiman. I don't know if you've ever seen possession? The body is the
only mechanism to communicate with the Ancestors. The body is the sacred
temple.
"Which is why (our enslaved African parents) could never understand
how the Europeans could defile the body [enslave, rape and torture]
and make it work to produce profit, because the body is sacred. It's
the realm of the spirit, where the irreducible element will push out
all of this small personality, so the small personality of Cecil Fatiman
was pushed out and the great goddess
came through. But you have to have some sort of discipline for that
to happen. You can't be just anybody.
"That's why in my lineage, my grandfather was the Vodun priest
of that era or that arena [ in our Lakou's house of spirit...]. Most
Haitians have that in their families - a place where the family portal
is. In my family, it's the place where that first original African went.
A lot of the Africans, after they fought in the revolution, wanted to
go back to Africa. There is a lot of folklore about these Africans.
A lot of them didn't want to live in the Western Hemisphere.
"The African within our family found a place in Fond Des Blancs
(Southern Haiti) where (he placed) a clay pot filled with water. That
portal connects us to our 'line
going back to the beginning of time.'
"In Haitian cosmology we are descendents of God [Lè
Marasa, lè mò, e lè mistè
]. We have everlasting life [through lè mistè].
As human beings we are sacred vessels of spirit."
She compared this to the Christian notion of kinship with Jesus the
son of God.
"Today you go where my parents are from, where my [great, great,
great] grandfather is from, you'll find that little house of spirits
- generations upon generations of Haitians have gone to touch or draw
through sounds or Vèvè those gods or universal spirits,
whomever one wanted to call. [...demanbreman]
"In Haitian cosmology, you have to have male and female to create
[Rada and Petwo; Lè
Marasa; or,
one plus one equals three is a cosmological
Haitian parable and allegory...]. Out of Adam's rib came creation? That
doesn't make sense to African-Haitians."
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Marguerite says in answer to a question about Vodun that "Haitians
are 80 percent Catholic and 100 percent Vodun." So even though
her parents, once they came to America, didn't practice the religion,
all the stories and songs she learned from her mother and her father
were a wealth of information too.
"I'll ask her, Mom, what happened at this ceremony? And she'll
respond, 'I only went to eat the food.' We're been trained not to take
it seriously. But if a child got sick she would go to a Vodun priest,
when she was in Haiti, that is. For most Haitians, Vodun is a way of
life. It isn't just spirituality. It's about bad vibe makeovers. It's
a part of my play. Hold on, I'll read you a piece... I talk about my
parents and where they were from - 'Red,
Black and Moonlight.' Visit the website:
http://www.margueritelaurent.com/index.html.
"Vodun is metaphysical and practical. It's also healing. [It's
herbal medicine.] It has a mythological aspect. I have a degree in [modern,
jazz, ballet] dance from the Hartford Conservatory. [But] I learned
[Haitian dances from my father and...] those [Vodun] songs from my mother,
who said she didn't know any of this," Marguerite says.
Clearly proud of Haitian history, Marguerite
is a great storyteller, the time we have all too short.
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"Not only did Haiti do away with
slavery, winning in combat against the greatest army of that time, Napoleon
Bonaparte, they also freed five Latin American countries: Columbia,
Ecuador, Bolivia, Venezuela... (she can't recall the other...)
"Bolivar was the founder of Bolivia. We gave him sanctuary. We
are the first Pan-Americans and the first Pan-Africans. We kept our
mother (Africa's) culture. That's revolutionary, (especially) at a point
in time when you had the Arabs conquering North Africa.
"Haiti is the first African country that didn't take its conqueror’s
religion or culture. It's the mother of African mother cultures. It's
something that is not analyzed enough. We are fighting a spiritual fight
with the sky god, whom we need to bring back to the earth again.
"We want to work to fulfill our revolutionary
legacy - a Pan African task for Haitians to live freely and
work in the Americas. That's our ultimate goal. We have freed many,
many nations, and it's because we started freeing many nations that
the world stands as it does and chattel slavery is gone. Yet, we have
been isolated and we can't get asylum anywhere in the world, and we
can't come out of Haiti, which is one of the reasons why we are contained
in poverty.
Getting back to the Haitian Lawyers Leadership, Marguerite says, "As
someone who has passports, I believe that it's (incumbent ) upon me
to fight for all Haitians (and articulate legally) the reasons why they
should have passports to be in the Americas, just like the European
Union has it so that if you're from France you can go work in Italy.
They have a universal (Euro) passport. You don't lose your French citizenship.
"I think that (for) Haitians, our fulfillment of a revolutionary
legacy would be for Haitians to have a Pan-American passport. That is
why the U.S. ambassador kicked us (the Haitian Lawyers Leadership) out
of Haiti because of our revolutionary ideas. We weren't looking for
[US-style] democracy. We were looking for justice, universal, primary
justice for all of Latin America. The entire region has a history of
suppression by death squads supported by the United States."
France is back, and with this deliberate affront, Haitians are geared
for a fight that reaches back hundreds of years to Boukman and Fatiman
and that meeting on the mountaintop. The courageunder-fire Haitians
live with daily is dauntless - the rallying cry, "Bullets are dust,"
revived if the incidents on Flag
Day last week, May 18, are any indicator.
However, the world should not stand by and watch innocent people murdered
for demanding justice and liberty and their right to unimpeded leadership
of their democratically elected (government and ) president, Jean-Bertrand
Aristide.
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Wanda Sabir: "Black is the color of liberty: An interview with
Haitian attorney Marguerite Laurent" for The
San Francisco Bayview,
June 3, 2004
Email Wanda at wsab1@aol.com.
http://www.sfbayview.com/052604/colorofliberty052604.shtml
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